PMHUB-G Re: Capture Requirements and Plan

Hi Gerhard,
Many thanks for taking the time to actually read, much less comment on my
postings. I fully realize I am not exactly "preaching to the choir" with my
postings here!!!

But to get back to your comment. Actually, it is Project Management
Professional (PMP) and I was simply paraphrasing to emphasize the fact that
what PMI IMPLIES with the PMP, by no stretch of the imagination can or
should be considered to be a "professional" level credential, even though
some of the people who earn their PMP may in fact be professional project
managers.

Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there has never been a credible study done
that links having the PMP with more successful project management or NOT
having the PMP to being less successful.

Explained another way- while I don't question that understanding the
terminology and concepts PMI advocates is valuable, there is no link between
knowing that and success or failure of a project..... Think about what
that means.......

BR,
Dr. PDG, Jakarta
http://www.getpmcertified.com

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From: PMHUB@googlegroups.com [mailto:PMHUB@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gerhard Tekes, OPM3 AC
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:22 PM
To: PMHUB@googlegroups.com
Subject: RES: PMHUB-G Re: Capture Requirements and Plan

Hi Paul,
admiring your energy to continue and continue and continue answering here,
please allow me to refine only one item, you wrote below:
PMP is not, does not want to be, a "Professional Manager of Projects".
It's "Professional in Project Management".
As I always tell my students, when you leave university as an Engineer, this
does not mean, you are now Manager of engineering department. Same as PMP.
Becoming a "Manager" is a 10-30yrs process of experience, and that's where
we are back together: becoming PMP, getting certified about your knowledge,
is important, but it's only the start of a new carrier.

Rgds from Brazil
Gerhard Tekes, PMP,
PMI certified OPM3 Assessor & Consultant 3PTA Tekes & Associados
gerhard@tekes.name, diretoria@3pta.com.br
+55-71-3012.6611, +55-71-8863.0611
www.3pta.com.br 

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De: PMHUB@googlegroups.com [mailto:PMHUB@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Dr.
Paul Giammalvo
Enviada em: 06/09/2009 00:47
Para: PMHUB@googlegroups.com; PMHub@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: PMHUB-G Re: Capture Requirements and Plan

Hi Dr. Chan,
Your question intrigued me...... Unfortunately, a key word search on both
exact phrases yielded nothing....... So let me see what I can infer....

Capture Requirements-
Did you mean COLLECT requirements? (See PMBOK Guide v. 4, Figure 5-3)
Assuming this is what you meant, it means that the OBLIGATION of "someone"
that before a project starts, it becomes important that this "someone"
figures out what we want the project to do or accomplish. Speaking very
candidly, I do not consider this to be an appropriate role for the project
manager at all. IMPO, this is or should be the responsibility of the asset
(portfolio) or operations (program) managers- In PMI speak, it is or should
be the SPONSOR of the project. (How can I as the project manager, possibly
know what was REALLY in the minds of the originators of the project) I
think the project manager is or should be responsible to VERIFY or CONFIRM
what they have been told by the stakeholders, but that happens under SCOPE
VERIFICATION, (See PMBOK Guide v. 4, Figure 5-11 & 5-12) which I think is
very clearly and appropriately the responsibility of the Project Manager.

Plan Experience
While that exact phrase doesn't come up, if we search on "Experience" alone,
we come up with 30+ places in the PMBOK where it does appear. To me, that
makes it clear that experience is one of the more important aspects or
attributes of a "successful" project manager. The tension or oxymoron I see
in this is when PMI certifies people as "Professional" Managers of Projects,
(PMP) their experience is never actually validated. Yes, 10% of the
applicants for the PMP are audited, but that audit does not ask or validate
if the projects were actually successful. The audits only validate the
claims that they worked on projects.

To put the absurdity of this in perspective, would you get on the next
commercial jet knowing the pilot had never successfully taken off or landed
a plane? Or would you go in for open heart surgery knowing your
cardiologist had never successfully operated on a person or that any of your
cardiologists patients survived the surgery?

And the answer, I hope would be, of course not...... Yet isn't that EXACTLY
what PMI has done with the PMP?

I hope this answers your questions and will encourage those who honestly and
truly believe themselves to be professional practitioners not to blindly
accept what PMI puts forward as being a "best" practice, for it is not. If
you look at page 4, what PMI advocates for are those practices used "on most
projects, most of the time". To me, that says "average" and I can assure
you that when I get on the next plane or opt for open heart surgery or even
hire the next manager for our projects, I am NOT looking for the "average"
practitioner, but the best I can afford.

Make sense?

BR,
Dr. PDG, Jakarta

Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo, CDT, CCE, MScPM,
Senior Technical Advisor, PT Mitratata Citragraha,
Jakarta/Singapore/Anchorage/Amsterdam/Johannesburg www.getpmcertified.com

Adjunct Professor, Project/Program Management, Lille Graduate School of
Management, Paris, FRANCE www.esc-lille.com

Curriculum Development Consultant/Adjunct Professor, Asset and Project
Management, University of Western Australia, Perth,
www.blendedlearning.ecm.uwa.edu.au

Board of Directors, Global Alliance for Project Performance Standards
(GAPPS) Sydney, AUSTRALIA www.globalpmstandards.org

-----Original Message-----
From: PMHUB@googlegroups.com [mailto:PMHUB@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dr
chan
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:54 PM
To: PMHUB - The largest PM group in Googlegroups!
Subject: PMHUB-G Capture Requirements and Plan

Guys can you please give me an example of capture requirements and plan
experience ?
I am sure you have down lots of projects and you`ll share some of your
examples and techniques?
Thanks in advance

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